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bigh2oraft
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I am going to assume that there are a fair amount of you out there who have worked as either an instructor or part of the ski patrol and I am wondering what some of your thoughts and experiences may be. I am in one of those rare times in life when I may have the opportunity to spend the winter working on one of these two teams and am trying to make a decision on which route to go for. What do you guys think? I have been a river guide for almost 15 years and am going to assume there is a little bit of overlap but I'm curious to hear some of your thoughts and stories.
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miyagib |
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I can add my .02 from the instructor's side. I've been instructing the last 10 years here in Oregon. I wish I could give you the pros and cons, but it's mainly cons! Which are:
1) You have to work on a powder day (try being on the bunny hill most of the day on a powder day and maintaining a smile!) 2) You have to work on a rainy day 3) You have to work on a nice freeride day 4) You have to work when your friends are up on the hill 5) You only get paid when you do work (teach). You're required to be on the hill for up to 8 hours, but may only get paid for 2. 6) You have to pay yearly dues to an organization like PSIA or AASI (about 100$ a year) 7) You have to get continuing education credits to keep up your certification These are a lot of cons and I always have to think about exactly how much I want to return year after year. Believe, it could be cheaper to simply purchase a seasons pass. Nevertheless, there are some pros, and these are the ones that keep me coming back: 1) You do get paid a little. One of the nice benefits at my resort is a season's pass, and discounted season's pass for family members (which I don't take advantage of, unfortunately). Some resorts do have rich folks who come, and the tips can sometimes be good - especially during the Christmas Holidays. 2) There are lots of teaching hours to be had during the Christmas Holidays (and other holiday weekends). 3) We get an awful lot of good training on my hill. I've become a much better snowboarder these past few years (and I've been boarding for 20 years). You have to ask the director, however, about training opportunities - ski areas will differ quite a bit in this regards. 4) I get lots of free lessons in other disciplines. For example, I have several folks here who help me with my tele-skiing. 5) One of the most important benefits is that I have people to ride with on a consistent basis. If you're lucky enough to have bros or a spouse who rides and can afford to go with you, that's good. But, I would often be riding alone if I didn't work at the ski area. 6) I plain and simple enjoy teaching people how to snowboard. It's a really nice feeling to see folks "get it." Bottom line - I have a good paying job the rest of the week to pay the bills. I figure that instructing gets me a free ticket to ride and pays (mostly) for my gas money to the mountain. And, I get to be a better rider to boot. So, I've decided that that's an okay tradeoff for me. I guess the best advice I can give is to just do it for a season and see how you like it! Let us know if you get hired on somewhere this winter. |
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hrothgarbike |
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Getting a ski instructor job is easier than getting the patrol job. Patrol requires medical cert. and a lot of the time, a connection. There are fewer jobs in the patrol than in the ski instruction. Both are cool. Patrollers get to ski a lot, so long as folks aren't hurt. Ski instructors get to tell chicks how good they can ski. Patrollers can get them a sled ride. Potato, pototoe. Take which ever job you can get, and rack up days.
The dishwasher and food prep guy get's to ski all day. |
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jpushak |
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I was a ski instructor in college and it was a great experience for the most part. I mostly taught beginners because I didn't have any certifications and I wasn't required to get any either which was nice. It was fun teaching and got to ski for free and there aren't many powder days in PA so that didn't matter much. I got pro deals and best of all I think I learned more myself during this time. When I wasn't teaching they would sometimes have us do advanced training clinics which definitely made me better. One of the lead managers at the time was a total D bag which was unfortunate. I think it really depends on your circumstances, what your goals are, and what people you'd be working with. Thanks
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Vstil |
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Ski Patrol definitely has it's advantages. Although we're out there in the worst weather, we're also out there in the best - it's our job to ski and to watch for those who need help - which gives us a reason to continually ski. Darn - I have to go skiing now.. wanna come with? As patrollers we split up to cover more of the mountain and we're encouraged to ski different routes each time. I'll often have a nonpatroller ski with me - just for fun. I meet so many people that way and get to chat about what we patrollers do. It spreads goodwill as well as informs the public about our work.
We have to have our OEC - Outdoor Emergency Care certification - which takes a lot of work but, it's knowledge that applies in everyday life as well. Glad I have it. Then we bust our tails to practice our on hill skills with sleds and more on the mountain but again, I like being current and able to help on or off the mountain. The camaraderie is amazing - we are a team. We have each other's back and we know what it took to get where we're at. I think the patrol is more serious than the instructor's side.. but both are important - can't have skiers if we don't have teachers. The perks are things like season passes, access to other mountains, pro deals, tax deductions, and a sense of belonging. The cons, are lots of hard work for certifications - the candidate year is an intense year! You need to be willing and ready to jump in. Plus I'm lucky in that I'm with a patrol group that has a sense of family and is tight. We don't squabble and we work as a unit.. we have four patrols on our hill and each patroller is welcome across the board. I'm proud to be a ski patroller. It's one of the best things I've done. I'm proud to know I can help when people need it most. And.. I love to ski - it's a great combination. |
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Aaron |
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Patrolling is great.
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EPorter |
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Well I snowboard, and so patrol was never in the cards for me. I know people do it, but it's a lot harder without the easy maneuverability of AT skis/skins.
I always tell friends to work in the "Service Industry" if possible. Working at the mountain bar/restaurant will get you more $$ in the long run than instructing. It works out even better if you're in a big ski town with off-mountain bars/restaurants. Nothing like skiing all day on a powder day and then cruising into your after dark work shift. Plus, you can still meet up with your friends at the bar when you get off work. My instructing experience was very low paying. When I worked at a restaurant, AND bought a FULL price season pass, I still earned thousands more than my instructing friends. Plus, on your days off you can go to the mountain, and not feel like you're at work. End of season I rode way more days than them, and had a much more positive outlook on the mountain. The best ski job I had was as an on-mountain ski photographer. Nothing like patrol letting you duck the rope 5 minutes early to "get in position for your shots." Repeat all day as more areas are opened. |
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Suzie_Null |
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I've been a ski instructor. I enjoy the teaching aspects of it, including helping kids learn to love the sport, and finding innovative ways to see how people learn and adapt instruction for them. But you do end up spending A LOT of time on the bunny hill, so you have to be OK with that. On a "good" day you might get to take someone out on intermediate runs, but on other days you might end up spending the whole time on the kiddie rope tow, picking kids up. You need to be a person who can do that all day and still stay patient and smiling.
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Isabelle |
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I know I am getting on this thread late but I think I have $.02 maybe $.05 to say too!!!
I have been a ski/snowboard instructor for 7 years. Always part time (weekends+holidays) since I started in high school and continued throughout college and beyond. I have loved every moment. Ski school is like a family..the kind you can't shake no matter what. I have taught in Washington and Colorado and the people you meet change you and you make life long friends. I don't believe the pay is horrible if you put the effort into become a better coach and become certified (even school teachers have to have a certification:)) Depends on where you are at, tips are well worth it!! Yes the hours and conditions are not that great at times but I love going to work everyday because 1) see the people/coworkers I adore, 2) you never know what kind of clients you will meet, 3) if you don't work, you ski!!! I would love to be a patrol since I love medical stuff but you will need at least and EMT-B or WFR depending on the resort. And pretty much connection, or rad search and rescue stories are the shoe-in. Still I love my mountain's patrolers, many are instructors! Short story shorter, instructor=less time consuming, more jobs....partrol= wicked cool, but less jobs with a lot of work! -Isabelle |
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| Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 10/19/11 21:16:15 | bigh2oraft |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 10/20/11 10:41:57 | miyagib |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 10/20/11 21:57:06 | hrothgarbike |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 10/26/11 14:09:33 | jpushak |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 12/15/11 13:04:51 | Vstil |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 12/15/11 21:46:38 | Aaron |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 12/16/11 12:51:58 | EPorter |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 12/21/11 00:44:17 | Suzie_Null |
| Re: Ski Patrol or Ski Instructor | 12/29/11 01:38:57 | Isabelle |